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Post by djlamar2 on Mar 19, 2013 19:15:31 GMT -8
What to get? I won $30 at bingo so I can only get 1 because Predaking is $22 and some of the big scale predacons that aren't legion class are $15 so that's out of the question. I've decided. Predaking will be my next Transformers I get  . |
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Post by Zero on Mar 19, 2013 19:54:18 GMT -8
would rather they make Predaking AS A FECKING COMBINER and not Scourge Re-issuie-re-paint scrap
Dammit Hasbro cant you do anything right???
Predaking Combined from 6, yes SIX PREDACONS*
*Who where SUB-GROUP TO THE DESEPTICONS NOT AN ALTERANTIVE
WHO THEN COMBINED TO FORM ONE GIANTE ROBOT!!!
HASBRO GET IT F***ING RIGHT OR GTFO
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Post by djlamar2 on Mar 20, 2013 11:59:04 GMT -8
Eh I bought Twinstrike and Bulkhead.
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Post by Zero on Mar 20, 2013 19:42:20 GMT -8
 THIS is Predaking  THIS ISNT! GET IT RIGHT |
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Post by sunstar on Mar 20, 2013 23:48:44 GMT -8
Only 2% of the fans agree with you, Zero. Give it time. He'll grow on you. It could be a lot worse. Predaking could have been made into something else other then a dragon, like say, an alicorn. Again, Hub did not want combiners. They hate combiners just as much as they hate Prowl.
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Post by Al1701 on Mar 21, 2013 2:20:44 GMT -8
I love the new Predaking as well as the old. They both serve different purposes in different continuities. G1 Predaking was the latest and greatest of many combiners. Prime Pedaking is the first and apparently most powerful of a new race of transformers. At least let him show his stuff. I think he'll be awesome.
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Post by Zero on Mar 21, 2013 7:37:04 GMT -8
Energon, Cybertron, RID, , Beast Wars, Beast Machines, the list gose on.
EACH of these had animal based transformers many of them dragons.
Why dosethe Hub hate combiners and Prowl
I NEED ANSWERS
besides who is to say that kids today WONT like them?
I dought I will ever like him....Im gonna give it ONE chance to impress me...if not then I WONT be watching it
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Post by Al1701 on Mar 21, 2013 8:08:42 GMT -8
The biggest problem combiners have is the format Hub shows are following. The shows on the Hub put a lot of concentration on a core ensemble cast instead of just having a load of characters like in the 80's cartoon. A combiner would mean adding five or six characters plus the combiner itself considering there are eight Autobots and five main Decepticons.
Also, with weapons like the magnetizer lying around, combiner's main advantage is kind of moot.
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Post by Zero on Mar 21, 2013 9:02:14 GMT -8
when they started to focuse on a small group it started to go down hill and as always the "Bad guys" have the larger armies, that is going back to the 80s and 90s action movies where there was a small team who could take out an entire army.
The first combiner, Devistator was VERY popular, and still is, so why wont the Hub team see this, they keep introducing new characters, WheelJack, Sideswipe, and now the Beast....if they can do that then....well.......you know
they can introduce combiner teams too, its not THAT hard. They just dont want to beacuse its not "popular"
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Post by sunstar on Mar 21, 2013 22:00:18 GMT -8
It is also a matter of animation. The Optimus Maximus suit was a major pain in the aft burner to animate, and that is only two transformers combining. (The suit and Optimus, and the only way I was able to make it work was by shrinking Optimus down to the size of a human. Hub may not allow it to be used.) Hub hates Combiners because they are too combersome to animate, and I don't know what the beef is about Prowl. There were no dragons in TF Energon. Scrouge the dragon is from TF Cybertron. Also, we would have to create five to six new characters, and TF Prime is facing the curse of being overrun with characters. Also, we have to adhere to the rules laid out in the big TF bible too. CGI is not nice to combiners.
I'm not a fan of combiners eventhough I do own all of Predaking and Devastator.
Did you know? The very first combiner is not Devastator. The very first combiner is The Puzzler from Gobots, who would give rise to Devastator and the combiners we know and love today. The second combiner is Courageous, also from Gobots. Courageous is the combination of the power suits and the Last Engineers ship.
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Post by Al1701 on Mar 22, 2013 0:32:29 GMT -8
I forgot you had to animate those things. Yeah, I would say no combiners was a good move.
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Post by Zero on Mar 22, 2013 20:02:53 GMT -8
I still think it can be done....just ask the Japanesee they could do it!
and I was refering to the first Transformer Combiner not the Gobot one.
I dont understand how they can fork out to animate a large transforming dragon and yet wont allow combiners becasue it was too "difficult"
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Post by sunstar on Mar 22, 2013 20:41:06 GMT -8
It is very difficult to CGI animate a combiner. you've got five to six characters of varying heights and colors being put together. We did try to make Predaking a combiner. It came out horribly. Instead of a cool new character and team, we got a jumbled mass of color, lines, heads, body parts, and if we had kept it, you all would be running for the hills.
Animating the badly injured Optimus was tough too. CGI is not an easy thing to work with ether. I may be a ghost writer, but I have pitched in on occasion to help with animation. It looks so easy but it is not easy.
You have to lay out the character models, and pray like crazy they decide to cooperate with you. On days they don't cooperate, you get a mess. You have to do it frame by frame, and movements have to be small so they don't go freaky on you. CGI is a little like claymation.
For a combiner, you've got multiple things happening at once. you've got five to six characters in the same frame, and you need to work each one of them through the transformation into their body part, and you have to do this without anything clipping or screwing up. Clipping is a given with any combiner, and it all is really, really difficult to do without clipping. Hub feels that combiners are overused gimmicks and TF Prime doesn't need Combiners.
For Predaking, we cheated a little by pulling up Scrouges character sheet and using that as a base.
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Post by Al1701 on Mar 23, 2013 5:16:16 GMT -8
The advantage of CGI is once you've made the model and made sure in moves in the all the ways you need it to properly, you can go to town. However, the model has to be so painstakingly constructed, you properly spend as much time polishing it as you do animating it in the show. And that's if things are going right.
The only combiner we've had in the modern era was Devastator in Revenge of the Fallen. However, they never showed a good shot of him (we got a better shot of his family jewels than him) and his posture typically hid where the Constructicons met. Also, being a Bay Transformers movie, all the Transformers look like walking junk piles anyway so the issues with the animation were less noticeable. Prime actually has them transforming into recognizable robot forms, so animation issues would be more glaring.
I have no problem taking inspiration from Cybertron Scourge. He was an imposing-looking Transformer, and Prime Predaking's design even in the trailers screams "Don't mess with me." What is a combiner but a massive Transformer, so why not skip the issues of creating the component Transformers and trying to make them combine well an make a massive transformer. Metroplex and Tripticon dwarfed even the combiners and they were single Transformers.
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Post by Zero on Mar 23, 2013 5:32:32 GMT -8
For that one, there where two sets of Constructicons, the sentiant vehicals that would form Devistator and the ones that would transform into robots, Mixmaster was the only tripple changer, cement truck - robot- cannon
I just feel that taking a per-existing character from a poorly created verstion of Transformers then placing him in this new format is not only just lazy but hidious to boot.
And Hub dont like to use gimmicks?
Then tell just what the BEAST things are then?
A Gimmick
BEAST Wars, BEAST Machines, what became the Predacons in RID and verious other TF formats.
Im sorry I just feel they are redoing it again just beacuse they can and doing what I call "An Apple"
Simple re-issuing the same thing, only slightly modified and expect people will buy into it.
Im gonna give it once chance to impress (missed it last night) but if not....i wont be watching it OR getting any of them.
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